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1810 Chapter 7 Discussion
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Nick PalmisanoKeymasterNick PalmisanoPurpose
This activity is designed to improve and develop a better understanding of the Module’s topics. The activity incorporates both critical thinking and the application for the Fire Officer.
Discussion Post Instructions:
Review Chapter 7 in your textbook.
Review Module 7’s Learning Resources unit and slides.
Post your response to the Discussion Forum.Discussion
Discuss the pros and cons of an offensive attack in a vacant building.
Discussion Post Requirements
Your initial post must be a minimum of 100 words.
You must respond to at least two of your classmates. Each response must be a minimum of 50 words.
All discussion postings must be typed directly into the discussion forum.
August 19, 2023 at 7:56 am #16590
jonathan shadoinParticipantjonathan shadoinAn offensive fire attack in a vacant building can offer both advantages and serious drawbacks. You honestly do not know the building is 100% vacant until the primary search has been completed. One key benefit is the potential to quickly suppress the fire, limiting its spread to adjacent occupied structures and reducing overall damage. It may also provide a real world training opportunity for firefighters. However, the risks often outweigh the benefits. Vacant buildings may have compromised structural integrity, concealed hazards, or unpredictable layouts, increasing the danger to firefighters. Additionally, the absence of known occupants weakens the justification for aggressive interior operations. if injuries occur in such a setting, it can lead to public scrutiny and questions about risk management.
May 18, 2025 at 12:04 pm #20292
KYLE FLEMINGParticipantKYLE FLEMINGAn offensive attack in a vacant building can be both strategic and risky.
One advantage is that an aggressive interior attack can quickly control the fire, protecting nearby exposures and preventing collapse or spread to adjacent occupied structures. It also allows firefighters to access the seat of the fire and limit overall damage.
However, the risks often outweigh the benefits. Vacant buildings may have compromised structural integrity, hidden hazards, or unauthorized occupants such as squatters—all increasing the danger to personnel. Firefighters may also face hoarding conditions, weakened floors, or missing stairways. Without clear life safety concerns, committing crews to an interior attack can put them at unnecessary risk.
Additionally, limited property value in vacant structures may not justify the risk. Ultimately, an offensive strategy in a vacant building should be carefully weighed during size-up, with firefighter safety as the top priority and a defensive posture considered when conditions are too hazardous.
July 9, 2025 at 4:48 pm #20383
KYLE FLEMINGParticipantKYLE FLEMINGYou make a good point, an offensive attack in a vacant building can offer some benefits, such as quickly stopping fire spread and protecting exposures, but the risks are significant. Structural instability, hidden dangers, and potential for rapid collapse make these operations especially hazardous. Without confirmed life safety concerns, committing crews to an aggressive interior attack may not be justified. Vacant buildings often have limited salvage value, and the conditions inside are unpredictable. Firefighter safety must remain the top priority, and a defensive strategy is often the more prudent choice unless there is clear justification for going offensive. Careful size-up is essential.
July 9, 2025 at 7:05 pm #20384
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